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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 26, 2010 1:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Disco Duck, I mean Disco Dead

DH: not sure where you were at the time, but as I've droned on about here many times, in 78 in the Bay Area, the ongoing discussion (ie, our defense of the DEAD relative to all other bands enjoyed by 98% of our friends) took a decided turn for the worse.

They defn viewed SDSt as a "DEAD sell-out" to pop culture. IE, they presented as "hey, you're always saying your DEAD friends are counter culture, anti-pop, and this latest album is anything but! How you going to defend them now? They are defn just going with the pop trend and incorporating this disco sound to stay in the market!"

Now, even the folks in the DEAD cover band I worked with grudgingly accepted that it was in fact a "disco sound", but I can't argue with you as to whether it really could have been called "funk" or something altogether different (some have said "a tongue in cheek sarcastic version of disco?"). But, even the RStones came out with some with that "miss you" album; and the truth is, my DEAD cover band friends had to incorporate some disco esque tunes to stay current in the bar scene we'd been reduced to by 78 (ie, never having hit it big).

So, for me, as a full time defender of the DEAD thru the 70s, 78 was a watershed moment.

But, I will grant you that many folks HERE, 32 yrs later, like you, don't seem to see it that way. IE, I've had this discussion with many here that suggest "it wasn't really a sell out, and it wasn't really disco".

However, at least for the folks I knew, those that loved them, and those that hated them and we debated with constantly, in 78 in the Bay Area, you even heard FM radio discjocks announcing tunes like SDSt as "here's some disco DEAD for ya" and so on, and so forth.

So, I always assumed it was common knowledge.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Nov 27, 2010 8:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Disco Duck, I mean Disco Dead

I was a tough time to be a Deadhead ! What most people heard , were uneven (TS) , lame (SS) or super slick (GTH) albums . I have heard form friends how they would read all this great stuff about the band , and then hear these albums and wonder say , ( as they say now ) "WTF"?
I know Dead,(at least some of the members) actually liked disco , and they were pretty desperate to try and get out from under the debt from the "Grateful Dead Records " fiasco, and the cost of the movie, so they were trying to have a hit .in-durable
It is interesting that songs that on album , were pretty disco, became much more soulful live . The Disco "Dancin" was much more endurable live, with the jam and all. And :Shakedown", and "Stranger", became great jam songs , so much so, that I often forget their "discoish" origins .
Being in cover bands , was rough then ! "Miss You" was usually held up as not too bad, as opposed to "Hot Stuff" ( cringe ). The New Wave thing, was a way one could react against the slick stuff, but I was one of the few folks I knew who liked it AND the Dead . The Dead were not popular or "cool" at that time, In some ways it was fun to be in on a great secret !

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Nov 26, 2010 5:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Disco Duck, I mean Disco Dead

Sorry, this is the first drone for me. I agree the Stones dabbled in Disco. I don't quite remember that so much for the Dead. What I do remember is the Go to Heaven album and how plastic it sounded. And is that the one where they all look d like Tony Montana's cousins up from Miami Beach? Ah the cokie culture.

If I can get off my ass, I will search out a Dancing in the Street track (a prime Disco Dead designee for '77) so I can demonstrate.

BTW - I know Disco - I once met and chatted with Donna Summers. Bow down!

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Nov 26, 2010 1:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Disco Duck, I mean Disco Dead

it's all relative, the Dead going acoustic in 1970 must have had some old crusty heads confused with what happened to their golden road and eight sided whispering hallalujah hatrack...the band went through alot of phases and dabbled in the trends now and again...also, disco infected a bunch of other bands in this time, just listen to "Miss You" by the Stones or "1985" by Paul McCartney to name a couple and you'll know what I mean...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 26, 2010 2:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Disco Duck, I mean Disco Dead

Yupp--that's my pt about the Stones; our little band had to do songs like that to continue to get bookings in the East Bay in 78 & 79. "Miss You" was the one that satisified everyone (re: disco sound), but they just couldn't bring themselves to do any BeeGees (in part because of the trouble with singing them).

I am glad you posted to support that contention bout the Stones as some have even told me yrs later it wasn't disco (but at the time, we certainly viewed as such). The Stones turned it around, IMHO, with SMUp a few yrs later...

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Nov 26, 2010 2:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Disco Duck, I mean Disco Dead

I read fast so I missed your orginal miss you reference...let's not even get started on all the bands trying to do reggae songs...

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Nov 26, 2010 8:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Disco Duck, I mean Disco Dead

Speaking of reggae, here's a TDIH:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1982-11-26.sbd.fried-lai.1419.sbefail.shnf

The Dead in Jamaica. My recollection is that it struck me as a lot better than it's reputation, but haven't heard it in a while.

Speaking of which, Bob Marley T-shirts (and stickers on taxis and public buses) are HUGE where I live (e.g. Kathmandu, Nepal). And a couple weeks ago in a remote area, I was hanging out at the village school when some kids asked their teacher (a 20-ish woman from an indigenous tribe) if she knew any English songs ... and she regailed them with an a capella version of By the Rivers of Babylon!

This post was modified by AltheaRose on 2010-11-27 04:51:40

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 26, 2010 3:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Disco Duck, I mean Disco Dead

Oh yeah--I knew that cause I do it with about 85% of posts (except my own...har, har). But, I thought it was "better" since it meant you independently fig'd it the same way as we did (re:Stones, etc.).

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Nov 26, 2010 6:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Disco Duck, I mean Disco Dead

You ain't heard nuthing until you hear what the Hawaiians did to Reggae. It's called Jawaiian. I do not lie.